More Proof of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture

So many "christians" today rage against the idea of a pre-trib, pre-time of JACOB's trouble (not the church's trouble) rapture/escape from all/harpazo/call it whatever you want...

Yet the absolute proof of our God's intention is throughout all the pages of the bible. Here's just one of many examples of the Lord leaving his thinking written for us to find in the bible:

Psalm 32:6Therefore, let everyone who is godly pray to You in a time when You may be found; Surely in a flood of great waters they will not reach him.

7You are my hiding place; You preserve me from trouble;You surround me with songs of deliverance.

Surely in a flood of great waters they will not reach him? Luke 17:26 Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

Flood of great waters? As it was in the days of Noah? Flood will not reach him? Are you picking up on this?

You would have to be blind or willfully ignorant to not see how rich just these two sentences are in one Psalm in the bible. In a "flood" of great waters? They will not reach him? Hiding place? You preserve me from trouble? You surround me with songs of deliverance? Gosh, that sounds really "escapist" , doesn't it?

Where are all the debaters within "christianity" to debate with God's Word here? What happened to "manning up" and "taking the tribulation in the face" so we can "be a witness?" Whats with all this "hiding" and "preserving from trouble" business we read in the bible?

Well, what we've been looking at sounds alot like this:

Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Wow, how 'escapist' that sounds doesn't it. While the scofferes within churchianity scoff at our Lord's promise, we take our Lord at His Word.

Over and over and over again, we read about "hiding" and "refuge" and "escape" and being "preserved from trouble" in the bible. Read through the book of Psalms for yourself, see it for yourself.

There is an escape from all coming, our Lord GUARANTEES IT. What kind of escape? Perhaps we should ask Noah and Lot because in Luke 17 and Matt 24 we are told that the coming of the Son of man will be JUST LIKE the days of Noah and Lot. Were Noah and Lot "hidden" away, when there was a "flood of great waters" (psalm 32) did they reach Noah? Were Noah and lot preserved from trouble? Were Noah and Lot able to sing songs of deliverance after the flood and destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Did Noah and Lot receive real physical deliverances or was the Word of the Lord to them just some kind of pie in the sky, take the flood and fire on the chin kind of "you'll be comforted" while you suffer with the unbelievers kind of thing?

The Word of God interprets the Word of God. Read it for yourself. Deliverance from trouble, a place of hiding and ESCAPE are very real themes woven throughout the entire bible for the righteous. The people who tell you "there will be no escape" or there will be a partial escape have a real problem with the entirety of the Word of God.

Read the history of Israel. Over and over again, most were destroyed but a remnant were SPARED...physically. The Word and the deliverance of the Lord are real. They were real for Noah and Lot, and they will be real for some people in the future as well.

Do not allow the faithlessness and wickedness to steal your escape from you. Just because the many will not make it, doesn't mean you have to be left behind with them. The faithless, cowardly and wicked who already have an inward witness that they won't make it out, want you to stay behind with them.

What is the Spirit saying to the churches today? What is the Spirit saying to you today? Stop following men. Mankind cannot save you, only Jesus can. Mankind never promised you an escape from all, JESUS DID. Who are men to tell you "no" when God has told you "yea verily." If the Lord has spoken it, and it has been written, then it is FACT, not open to debate.

Settle these things within yourself. As you believe, so shall you receive.

Matthew 8:13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, "Go! It will be done just as you believed it would."

Don't let the unbelieving foolish virgins talk you out of your escape. The Lord is speaking, we should be listening. I do not claim to speak for Him. His Word speaks for itself.

done for now,
grace and peace

That Word: Escape

1 Thessalonians 5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

and they shall not escape. Ok, so we know they don't escape, but what about you?

Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

There's no question that the day of the escape, or leaving this place, or rapture, the same day, destruction falls. There is no question because the Lord tells us clearly that the coming day will be exactly like the days of Noah and Lot where on the same day that they left sodom, entered the ark, judgement fell. The same day....that's an important fact. Let's talk about the "day of the Lord."

Is it a coincidence that the coming 7 year period, known as Daniel's 70th week, is also known as the time of Jacob's trouble?

Is it a coincidence, that the vast majority of "day of the Lord" passages in the bible are in the old testament?

Is it a coincidence that by Rev 7, the entire focus is on the jews and Israel throughout the entire tribulation period right up to the very end?

Is it a coincidence that a door is open in heaven immediately after Jesus has his talk with the churches in Rev 2-3, then we see redeemed men in heaven in Rev 4-5?

Now I want to show you more jaw dropping evidence of how radically different things will be for the church on the "day of the Lord" than for the rest of the inhabitants of the earth...Now, there are very few places in the New Testament that speak of the day of the Lord...I wonder why? But the places it is discussed..to us, the church, this is what we see:

1 Corinthians 1 :6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: 8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

The goal here ^^ is that we are found blameless on the day of the Lord, refer back to Luke 21:36, pray that you may be counted what? Worthy....

Now here's a biggie:

2 Corinthians 1 :12 For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward. 13 For we write none other things unto you, than what ye read or acknowledge; and I trust ye shall acknowledge even to the end; 14 As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are our's in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Now read that very carefully^^^ and what do you see? REJOICING in the day of the Lord. The church is rejoicing. That is HUGE...compare that to:

Amos 5:20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

or

Isaiah 13 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.
14 And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land.
15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.
16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.
17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.
18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.
19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
20 It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.
21 But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.
22 And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces: and her time is near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged.

There are many more but you get the point here, there's a huge contrast between what the church is doing on this day (rejoicing) and what everyone else is doing (howling in misery).

The day that the true church escapes, the same day, destruction falls.

Now, for another question, when does the church leave? Well here, once again we see how both the pre-wrath and post-trib scenarios are nowhere close to a match for what the bible says about the day we leave.

The pre-wrath view holds that we've been through a couple billion people dead, war, famine pestilence the anti-christ conquering etc , then supposedly the rapture shows up?

The post-trib view holds that mankind has been reduced to a scarcity rarer than pure gold, all the judgements have fallen, the earth is a wasteland, then the rapture shows up?

Compare their opinions with the word of God, which says in a huge contrast to their opinions, what the day really looks like:

Matt 24:38 eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage...right up to the time we "enter the ark"

and

Luke 17:28 did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven

On "that day" right up to the time that Lot went out of Sodom and Noah entered the Ark, the picture is the one above. Normal stuff.

and if both the pre-wrath and post-trib views were'nt discredited enough, consider how incompatible it is with the below passage:

1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

The Lord tells us of the rapture and to comfort one another with these words.

Well, the pre-wrath teachers would tell you to "comfort yourselves" with 2 billion dead, war, famine, pestilence death and hell roaming the earth, then you can leave. Comforting isn't it?

or better yet, the post-trib folks would tell you to "comfort yourselves" with the thought that mankind will be almost completely wiped out, all the seals, trumpets and vial judgements are coming, Satan will be hunting you down to kill you etc, and if you survive all that, then you can leave...that's just grand isn't it? Boy, I sure feel comforted.....

Look, we are told clearly to comfort each other with the words of what the Lord is going to do pulling us off this earth to meet him in the air, he tells us clearly that we are not meant for wrath, he tells us clearly that we are to pray for an escape from ALL that's coming. He tells us that the weak, but patient church will be kept from the hour of trial thats coming on all the earth. All of these facts are inconvenient truths for many people in the world today, most especially those who would steal your comfort and peace today.

If you are pure in heart and you have no deceit in your spirit, if you are "in Christ" today, what do you have to fear? Our King did not tell us to be looking for the anti-christ, he told us to be looking for HIM. That enough clue for ya? Watch he says over and over and over again...for who? FOR HIM. What does that mean? It means he is the one next to show up on the churches agenda. The day of the Lord will be hell on earth, and a day of rejoicing for the church, you figure out what that means.......Grace, and Peace, and Hope, and much encouragement be yours today. We don't serve our Lord for nothing. Purity and goodness have a reward, so does wickedness.....

Rev 7, Where Are We?

Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

In Rev 5, we see redeemed men in heaven, in Rev 6 we see the wrath of God, here in Rev 7 what do we see? We see the servants of God being sealed in their foreheads, wait a minute though, last time I checked, we, the church are servants of God too right? Why is it that the only servants of God being sealed are 144,000 from all the tribes of the children of Israel? Not a single member of the church sealed? NOT ONE. Why? The true church is in heaven. To hammer this point home, IMMEDIATELY after mentioning the sealing of the 144,000 the Holy Spirit shows us a picture of the raptured church in heaven. How much more plain could He make it? What does this mean? It means be ready, it means be watching. Time is short, the day to perfect holiness is today. Yesterday is gone, and nobody promised us we'll see tomorrow. Make the most of today for the days are evil. The grace and peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Pray for all the brothers, Amen

More Proof of a Pre-Trib Rapture

Rev 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.


Revelation 4

1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

What's going on with these "doors" we read about in Rev3 and 4 above? I mean, should we just disregard the Word, and press on with other reading or do these doors mean something? What are doors used for? DOORS ARE USED FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND GO OUT.

Hmmm, let's think here: A door open in heaven, a voice that sounds like a TRUMPET, and what's this? Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit. Let's go through this again...a door open in heaven, a voice that sounds like a TRUMPET, then IMMEDIATELY HE WAS IN THE SPIRIT. But this isn't the best part, the best part comes next in Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

So let's get this straight
Rev 3- a door open in heaven and a promise to be kept from "the hour of temptation"
Rev 4-a door open in heaven, a voice like a TRUMPET, and John translated from flesh to spirit
Rev 5-REDEEMED MEN IN HEAVEN, from every kindred, and tongue and people and nation. WHERE COULD REDEEMED MEN FROM EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND NATION COME FROM?????????
Rev 6-Seal judgements opened and wrath of God poured out

"A door open in heaven" HAS SIGNIFICANCE, it means people are either going into heaven, or coming out of it, doors are used for people to pass through......When is the door open? Rev 3 we see it, and Rev 4.

Now we ask ourselves, would REDEEMED MEN IN HEAVEN in Rev 5 (before the seals opened or wrath of God poured out in Rev 6) be consistent with the rest of the bible where it says that believers would ESCAPE ALL that's about to happen? YES

lUKE 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

In Rev 5, the 24 elders must represent a larger group that adds up to MANY more than 24, here's a reason why, if there are redeemed men in heaven from every language, do you know how many living languages there are on the earth today? Somewhere in the ballpark of 7,000. That's not counting all the dead languages, plus all the nations, tribes, kindreds etc, we are WAY beyond 24 with this......can only mean one thing, a PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE. 70 weeks were determined for Israel, the church was'nt around for the first 69 weeks, why would we be around for the 70th week?


2 Thessalonians 2:1-12
Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet him, we beg you, brethren, not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

I've read in many places where people say that the rapture cannot occur before "the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed" Is that what the Word of God is saying here? NO. It says "that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed"

THE DAY OF THE LORD will not come, until the rebellion comes and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the "day of the Lord" IS NOT the rapture. Paul is saying to the Thessalonians, relax, the day of the lord won't come until the apostasy occurs and the anti-christ is revealed, you know that has'nt happened yet. What troubled the Thessalonians then? They were under the impression that the day of the Lord was under way, and THEY HAD'NT BEEN RAPTURED, AND THAT TROUBLED THEM. Obviously they were taught by Paul that a pre-trib rapture would occur, THEN THE DAY OF THE LORD would come, WHY ELSE WOULD THEY BE TROUBLED?

In fact, I believe that the rapture of the church will occur, then destruction will fall on this world, EXACTLY according to the pattern we are told about in Luke 17 and Matt 24. The righteous are taken out, then destruction falls. Does this fit the pattern we see in the book of revelation? YES, in fact it fits PERFECTLY. We see the rapture in Rev 3-4, redeemed men in heaven in Rev 5, The anti-christ revealed and the day of the Lord beginning in Rev 6. It does'nt get much more straighforward than that. The apostasy/falling away is fully ripe TODAY, so be ready, be watching, Jesus could come back TODAY for true believers, then all hell breaks loose. Grace and Peace