Wednesday, April 04, 2012

"The Jonathan Kleck" Part 2

Part 1 can be found here:

In part one we reviewed some of the serious issues with Mr. Kleck. His salvation story includes the presence of an angel called Michael and reciting the "hail mary." Can anyone show us in the bible where exactly any new testament believer ever had an angel present and said a "hail mary" as part of their salvation story? Here's what I'm getting at, Mr. Kleck and everything he shows people on youtube is full of "extra biblical" material. We just looked at some of that. Reciting a hail mary prayer is unheard of in the bible-that means its extra-biblical. Having an angel named Michael present-leading you through the salvation prayer is not something we find in the bible either-its extra-biblical. And the issues do not stop there..

As discussed in part 1, if anyone challenges Mr. Kleck, he accuses them of sin in their life, then he threatens them with judgement, then he blocks whoever sent the message to him on youtube. So, he is an accuser who uses fear as a weapon to keep scrutiny of his work at bay. Do we know of any spiritual entity who accuses the brethren and uses fear as his primary weapon? I can think of one....

Mr. Kleck tells us to pray to the Lord about his message, he probably should not offer that advice because this brother has prayed about Mr. Kleck and the answers I am getting from the Lord leave Mr. Kleck wanting.

I am not going to go back into his 100+ videos to link his statements to them but here are some of the other extra biblical claims he makes:

1. we are the fallen angels because of our mixed DNA
2. the keys to the kingdom of heaven is turning everything upside down. He illustrates this by taking a right side up cross and flipping it upside down. So an upside down cross and other pictures upside down are "keys to the kingdom of heaven?" Thats what Mr. Kleck would have us believe, and again its extra-biblical. According to Kleck's own words the ENEMY is the one who turns everything upside down so how is turning things upside down the keys to our kingdom?

3. He keeps objects with familiar spirits in them right next to his head in many of his videos. Look up "familiar spirits" for details. An example is a skull mask with a snake running down the front of it that he has right behind his head in many of his videos. I wouldn't have an object like that anywhere near the confines of my house, he keeps them in prominent places for you to see.

4. He equates questioning his message with blaspheming the Holy Spirit. A threat to you that you better not question his message or risk hellfire-threats+fear, again sounds familiar? Who uses these tactics that we know well? The enemy...

5.  He states the the abomination that causes desolation has already taken place.  He claims that we are the temple that has been desecrated with mixed alien DNA.  In one of his videos he actually mocks the idea with laughing that there will be an actual rebuilt temple with the abomination that causes desolation to take place within it.  Is this a problem?  Yes, this alone qualifies Mr. Kleck as a an agent of the enemy.  The book of Daniel tied to Mark 13:14, and Matt 24:15 state clearly that the anti-christ will cause the daily sacrifice to stop (an action that takes place in a literal temple)  when they invade the temple fortress and setup the abomination that causes desolation.  The Word makes it clear that there will be a literal rebuilt temple with a literal renewal of daily sacrifice and literally an abomination will be setup within this temple complex.  If the abomination of desolation has already taken place, why hasn't the flight from Judea taken place?

Mark 1314“When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’a standing where itb does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.15Let no one on the roof of his house go down or enter the house to take anything out.

I asked Mr. Kleck about this problem in his teachings and his reply was "I don't have time for trolls and pharisees anymore."  Notice he did not reply with a scripture or any kind of biblical defense.  Once again, Mr. Kleck the 'extra-biblical' "harbinger" and "bell ringer: neither of which can you find in the bible presents an 'extra biblical' idea for you to consume.  When people see the abomination setup there must be an immediate flight to the mountains.  If that hasn't happened (no flight to the mountains) then Mr. Kleck has proven his own doctrine and teaching to be false.

To mock this as Mr. Kleck has in at least one of his 100+ videos is to mock the Lord.  The Word = the Lord (John 1:14).

6.  Mr. Kleck casually drops profanity throughout his videos and laughs it off telling us not to be "pharisees" when he is criticized for it.

By their fruits you shall know them says the Lord:

Matt 7 15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

And last but not least Mr. Kleck calls himself "a harbinger." A harbinger of what? He never bothers to explain but thats not the real problem, the real problem again is the mounting pile of extra-biblical claims this man makes. I just did a word search for "harbinger" in the bible and you know how many returns I saw? Zero. When I look at the bible as my reference I see this as what we should see in the Body of Christ:

1 Cor 1227Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 29Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 31But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

Do you see "a harbinger" anywhere in that list? No, nor is it to be found anywhere in the bible.

Mr. Kleck puts on a great show, I admit it but he made a mistake when he told people to pray to the Lord to ask if Mr. Klecks message was true. The answer I am getting from the Lord about Mr. Kleck is this from Daniel 5:27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.  All of the most deadly lies have some element of truth in them.  The truth is the bait that gets you to accept the lie.  Its a classic trap.  Men like Mr. Kleck bait the hook with truth, then when they have lured you into their trap, they sink their poisonous lies into your jaw.  If I presented you with a steak and potato dinner that was 99% good steak and potato and 1% cyanide, would you eat it?  Why not?  It's 'mostly good' isn't it?  Such is the message and teaching of Mr. Kleck.  It's 'mostly good' but laced with spiritual cyanide throughout.

Matt 7 tells us to judge not, therefore I will not be the judge. The Word of God however judges all things. Compare Mr Klecks personal testimony, and his fruits to the perfect standard that is the Word of the Most High God, and draw your own conclusions...

grace and peace