I would like to start by commenting on the underlying agenda of the movie, which appears to be furthering the agenda of tearing down the old framework of the world to assist the implementation of the new framework. In order to have new government, new religion, new thinking etc, the old has to be done away with. Zeitgeist begins with an attack on christianity, moves onto exposing 9/11, then finishes with an explanation of how the FED has destroyed the country. I think they did a good job with their 9/11 and FED work, where the problem lies is their depiction of Christianity.
Time and time again we see "christianity" attacked as if it were one monolithic entity. For example, people look at the historical crimes committed by the Catholic church, and lump all christianity in with catholicism. Are all christians catholic? Along the same lines, the movie mentions "christmas" and easter, Dec 25, and sunday worship as "christian" practices. Last time I opened my bible, I did'nt see easter (except the mistranslated KJV), christmas, sunday worship, or Dec 25 mentioned. Those are all pagan practices, perpetuated by a paganized apostate christianity. Now, to be fair, paganized, apostate, "so called" christianity IS associated with those things, but once again, just because people call themselves christians, does that mean they really are christians? The bible clearly states that many if not most people calling themselves christians today are anything but.
Matt 7:14 tells us that only a few are going to make it into the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?"
23 And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness."
Notice they said "Lord Lord" right? pagans don't call Jesus "Lord" so called christians do..........
Zeitgeist begins the movie by telling us that everything we've ever been told is most likely a lie, then they proceed to use the historical records of those same liars to prove their case against christianity?
Which came first, the chicken or the egg? The Christian God created everything, but Zeitgeist tells us that Christianity is nothing more than an astrological story. That is, the creation is telling us the creator does not exist. If there is no creator then what is the origin of time, space, eternity etc etc etc. Not only must we ask who created all things but who is responsible for all the design we see in the universe? The universe screams at the top of its lungs "random does not work here!" Design, law and order is what makes the universe work.....zeitgeist won't touch that, I wonder why?
The bible tells us that the creation is PROOF of God's existence, the proof of christianity runs through all creation. Does it suprise you that the Creator confirmed His words in the creation? If it does, it should'nt....
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
All the pagan religions Zeitgeist compares christianity to are creation centered, christianity is Creator centered. The bible specifically prohibits the worship of created things like the sun and moon, all the religions and deities mentioned in Zeigeist are centered on worship or adoration of the sun/moon.
Use of the "straw man" trick. What's a "straw man?" A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute and attribute that position to the opponent. Often, the straw man is set up to deliberately overstate the opponent's position.
Zeitgeist uses cartoons to depict God and satan deliberately understating them. Zeitgeist mentions God's ten commandments, tells you that you'll be punished in hell if you don't obey them, then speaks of God's love. Very clever. The Creator demands obedience, so does satan, so does your government here on earth. People don't bat an eye when the IRS demands they obey tax law, but when the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE demands obedience, all of the sudden it becomes a problem? Zeitgeist relies heavily on the logical fallacy of the "straw man" to make its point.
Probability and statistics.
A scientist picked out 48 prophecies and determined that the probability of one man randomly fulfilling them all is 1 in 10 to the exponent of 157. That is one followed by 157 zeros..... Your chances of winning a typical lottery jackpot is about 1 in 108. (100,000,000) Yet, Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies.
Concerning his birth Prophesied/Fulfilled
1. Born of the seed of woman Gen 3:15 /Gal 4:4
2. Born of a virgin Isa 7:14 /Mt 1:18-25
3. Seed of Abraham Gen 22:18 /Mt 1:1
4. Seed of Isaac Gen 21:12 /Lk 3:23+34
5. Seed of Jacob Num 24:17 /Lk 3:34
6. Seed of David Jer 23:5 /Lk 3:31
7. Tribe of Judah Gen 49:10 /Rev 5:5
8. Family line of Jesse Isa 11:1 /Lk 3:32
9. Born in Bethlehem Mic 5:2 /Mt 2:1-6
10. Herod kills the children Jer 31:15 /Mt 2:16-18
Concerning his nature Prophesied /Fulfilled
11. He pre-existed creation Mic 5:2 1 /Pet 1:20
12. He shall be called Lord Ps 110:1 /Acts 2:36
13. Called Immanuel (God with us) Isa 7:14 /Mt 1:22-23
14. Prophet Deut 18:18-19 /Acts 3:18-25
15. Priest Ps 110:4 /Heb 5:5-6
16. Judge Isa 33:22 /Jn 5:22-23
17. King Ps 2:6 /Jn 18:33-37
18. Anointed by the Spirit Isa 11:2 /Mt 3:16-17
19. His zeal for God Ps 69:9 /Jn 2:15-17
Concerning his ministry Prophesied /Fulfilled
20. Preceded by a messenger Isa 40:3 /Mt 3:1-3
21. To begin in Galilee Isa 9:1-2 /Mt 4:12-17
22. Ministry of Miracles Isa 35:5-6 /Mt 9:35;11:4
23. Teacher of parables Ps 78:1-4 /Mt 13:34-35
24. He was to enter the temple Mal 3:1 /Mt 21:10-12
25. Enter Jerusalem on donkey Zech 9:9 /Mt 21:1-7
26. Stone of stumbling to Jews Isa 28:16; Ps 118:22 /1 Pet 2:6-8
27. Light to Gentiles Isa 49:6 /Acts 13:46-48
The day Jesus was crucified Prophesied /Fulfilled
28. Betrayed by a friend Ps 41:9 /Jn 13:18-27
29. Sold for 30 pieces of silver Zech 11:12 /Mt 26:14-15
30. 30 pieces thrown in Temple Zech 11:13 /Mt 27:3-5
31. 30 pieces buys potters field Zech 11:13 /Mt 27:6-10
32. Forsaken by His disciples Zech 13:7 /Mk 14:27+50
33. Accused by false witnesses Ps 35:11+20-21 /Mt 26:59-61
34. Silent before accusers Isa 53:7 /Mt 27:12-14
35. Wounded and bruised Isa 53:4-6 1 /Pet 2:21-25
36. Beaten and spit upon Isa 50:6 /Mt 26:67-68
37. Mocked Ps 22:6-8 /Mt 27:27-31
38. Fell under the cross Ps 109:24-25 /Jn 19:17; Lk23:26
39. Hands and feet pierced Ps 22:16 /Jn 20:24-28
40. Crucified with thieves Isa 53:12 /Mt 27:38
41. Prayed for enemies Isa 53:12 /Lk 23:34
42. Rejected by His own people Isa 53:3 /Jn 19:14-15
43. Hated without cause Ps 69:4 /Jn 15:25
44. Friends stood aloof Ps 38:11 /Lk22:54;23:49
45. People wag their heads Ps 22:7;109:25 /Mt 27:39
46. People stared at Him Ps 22:17 /Lk 23:35
47. Cloths divided and gambled for Ps 22:18 /Jn 19:23-24
48. Became very thirsty Ps 22:15 /Jn 19:28
49. Gall and vinegar offered Him Ps 69:21 /Mt 27:34
50. His forsaken cry Ps 22:1 /Mt 27:46
51. Committed Himself to God Ps 31:5 /Lk 23:46
52. Bones not broken Ps 34:20 /Jn 19:32-36
53. Heart broken Ps 69:20;22:14 /Jn 19:34
54. His side pierced Zech 12:10 /Jn 19:34+37
55. Darkness over the land Amos 8:9 /Lk 23:44-45
56. Buried in rich man's tomb Isa 53:9 /Mt 27:57-60
His Resurrection & Ascension Prophesied /Fulfilled
57. Raised from the dead Ps 16:8-11 /Acts 2:24-31
58. Begotten as Son of God Ps 2:7 /Acts 13:32-35
59. Ascended to God Ps 68:18 /Eph 2:8-10
60. Seated beside God Ps 110:1 /Heb 1:3+13
Today, the only way Bible scoffers can explain away this astronomical probability is to discredit the prophecies in one way or another.
If what's written above isn't enough, consider the prophetic writings in the Books of Daniel, Ezekiel and Revelation. The bible predicted there will be a one world government in place, billions of people will die, and there will be an economic system in place so no man can buy or sell without a "mark" This mark of the beast prophesy standing on it's own is enough to blow Zeitgeist's claims out of the water. Do you have any idea of the technical sophistication it will take to setup a system where no man can buy or sell without this specific mark? Computers were'nt even a dream when the bible was written. There was no possible way for such a system to operate at the time the bible was written. Do you have any idea statistically how improbable it was to even guess there would be computers back around the time the bible was written? You can start your research on this prophesy being fulfilled here: http://www.verichipcorp.com/
Zeitgeist claims that since secular historians did'nt write about Jesus, he did'nt exist. First, why would Jesus leave any traces on the pages of secular history? He was virtually unknown – a traveling teacher who enjoyed limited popularity within a small community in a remote province on the eastern edge of the Roman empire. In the words of John P. Meier, professor of New Testament at the Catholic University of America in Washington D.C.: "Jesus was a marginal Jew leading a marginal movement in a marginal province of a vast Roman empire. The wonder is that any learned Jew or pagan would have known or referred to him at all in the first or second centuries" (A Marginal Jew, p. 56).
Second, does the fact that our evidence for Jesus comes from Christian sources mean that the evidence is too biased to be trusted? New Testament scholar Dr. R.T. France, former principal of Wycliffe Hall, Oxford University, gives us an excellent answer:
The Gospel writers tell us about Jesus because they think he is worth telling about, and they want others to follow him as well. But what worthwhile history or biography has ever been written by people who have no personal interest in what they write? Why should a 'bias' in favor of the subject render the history unreliable? Surely those who had been captivated by Jesus might be expected to take pains to pass on truth about him (Jesus 2000, p. 15).
We're talking about an all knowing, all powerful God here. What would such a God be capable of? ANYTHING, right? He promises us that deception would be the hallmark of the days we are living in. Not only that, He specifically promises us:
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Zeitgeist is a clever deception. The most dangerous lies are ones that contain some element of truth. It is true that there is a paganized form of christianity in the world. It is false that all forms of christianity are paganized. The problem with Zeitgeist is, they use trickery (straw man) and deception instead of truth to prove their point.
In a world full of lies, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. Finding the truth in Zeitgeist is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. True Christianity is creator centered not creation centered. That fact alone drives a flaming spear through the arguments presented in Zeitgeist.
See the follow on post for more on Zeitgeist.
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