Showing posts with label pre-tribulation rapture proof. Show all posts
Showing posts with label pre-tribulation rapture proof. Show all posts

Friday, August 19, 2011

The Fact of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture. More Pre-tribulation Rapture Proof.

This writer has written extensively on the pre-tribulation rapture. The pre-tribulation rapture is a FACT, it will happen, guaranteed by the scriptures. Yes, there are many writers, preachers, and teachers (more every day) who will argue with you about this but the bottom line is...they are wrong.

The Lord told us there is an escape from all coming (Luke 21:36). That's a fact. If there were no escape from all, that would make Jesus a liar, wouldn't it? Yes it would, and yet how many people today teach that there is no escape from all? How many people today that call themselves "christians" are calling Jesus a liar through their teaching and doctrine? Those who call the Lord a liar through their doctrine should tremble.


The Lord told us that we would be kept from the hour of trial (Rev 3:10). The hour of trial is the tribulation. I have read all the arguments against this as well and none of them hold any water whatsoever. Even the best arguments against this biblical fact are laughable absurdity. The Lord said that some people will be kept out of the tribulation and that is a fact. Anyone who teaches you that Rev 3:10 is not a promise to be kept out of the tribulation is a thief, a liar, willfully deceived, or something else thats not good.


The Lord gave us promises to comfort us. Who are these people who come to steal our comfort and hope? If the Lord promised us something, who are these people to take it from us? They are thieves, they are liars, they are murderers. That's what they are. If the Lord gave you something and someone else comes to take that away, what would you call them? What happens when the theft of a promise results in death? What would that make the person who stole and their stealing resulted in a death? That makes them a murderer as well.


Here's another interesting fact the Lord pointed out to me last night:


Fact: from the very first day that the church began all the way up through this very day NOT ONE member of the church (those who died "in Christ") has gone through the tribulation. NOT ONE. Let that sink in real deep. Millions, maybe billions of people have died "in Christ" as of today and not one of them had to endure one second of the tribulation. That's an absolute irrefutable fact. Today in these last days before the tribulation starts we are in the midst of a great apostasy which means there are few people in the world who are truly "in Christ" (Matt 7:13-28, 2 Ti 3:2). What that means is that if you were to look at the entire population that is the Church on a pie graph, you would see almost the entire pie except one small sliver that is already dead and gone, and one small sliver of population that is still alive today and "in Christ"


Okay, so what? So..that vast population that is the church that never tasted a second of the tribulation is a witness for the promises of Luke 21:36 and Rev 3:10. Did all those who died in Christ up through today "escape all" of the tribulation? Were they "kept" from it body soul and spirit? Yes they were. And I defy anyone to show me in the bible one shred of evidence that says the church is divided somehow so that this vast majority of the church is somehow exempt from the tribulation but the small sliver of true believers that exist today and destined for it. Anyone who tells you that the church is divided in this way is a satanic liar. Show me in the bible or put the argument away. Its not in the bible so their argument is dead on arrival.


More on point here, what am I trying to say? The pre-tribulation rapture, escape from all, being kept from all the tribulation event is coming sometime in the days ahead. Satan and those who serve him knowingly or unknowingly has tried to steal your promise and steal your hope. The Lord made us a promise and this writer knows for a fact that the Lord 1. keeps His promises and 2. does not lie.


We have all those who have died "in Christ" up through this very day as a witness that the Lord's Word is true. They indeed "escaped all" and have been kept from the tribulation. The promises of the Lord are another powerful witness of the truth of the pre-tribulation rapture of the church. Noah is a witness of the pre-tribulation rapture. Lot is a witness to it. Noah escaped all. Lot escaped all. Every single brother and sister who has died in Christ to this day escaped ALL of the tribulation. That is irrefutable FACT.


Those who argue with the facts laid out in the bible call Jesus a liar, its that simple. I would not want to be them. Why do men choose the doctrine of man over the Word of God? This writer does not know. Pride? Arrogance? Foolishness? All of the above?


The Lord gave us His Word to encourage us and give us hope.


Titus 2:13 while we wait for the blessed hope--the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,


Those who hold the pre-tribulation rapture as biblical fact are doing what we were told to do. We are holding onto the blessed hope by looking for the Lord's return today. The "other tribbers" are looking for Satan, the anti-christ, a peace deal for Israel etc...everything BUT Jesus Christ. What fools they are. Who are the foolish virgins of Matt 25? They are those who were not ready. They were not looking for the Bridegroom when He showed up and they were left behind with the door slammed in their face because they were off looking for something else that they should have already had with them when the Lord showed up.


There is no possible way you can go wrong in your Christian walk by expecting to meet the Lord each and every day of your life. You could die today and meet Him or He could catch you up in the clouds and you meet Him, either way if you are "in Christ" and watching for Him how can you go wrong.


This writer has read the arguments against us extensively and he has yet to read a single argument yet that holds a shred of value against being ready and waiting on the Lord every day. There is no argument against it and if there was it would have to be by a person who is either mentally and spiritually deranged or a satanic disinfo agent.


What the Lord gave me a mental picture of last night was powerful (at least to me it was). It was a circular pie graph showing almost the entire pie already dead in Christ and this small sliver of us who are still alive and remain today. Those in the graph are all the church. The only division is the barrier of death, most are already dead and some are alive today. The rest of the church did not have to enter the tribulation and neither will we. Our God is not a liar. He keeps His promises regardless of what todays apostate preachers and teachers tell you.


Be very encouraged today. Hold onto your hope. There is an escape from all coming for those found worthy of it. There is a blessed hope held out for us today. There is a purpose for the tribulation and that purpose is NOT to try or judge or bring wrath or vengeance on the church. Noah escaped all the tribulation of his day. Lot escaped all the tribulation of his day. The entire body of the church that has died in Christ up through this very day have escaped the coming tribulation. We are part of that church that has escaped all and will escape all of whats about to happen. That is a biblical fact. The Lord made us promises and He cannot lie. Be of good cheer and full of hope. Make every effort to be found worthy of the escape and the Bridegroom who is coming back for us.


These are the things this writer hears the Lord saying today. Keep the faith, stay in the Word. Grace and peace

Saturday, June 18, 2011

Immediately After The Tribulation of Those Days

Here is all the proof you need to shut down the arguments of the"other tribbers" when they try to use Matt 24:29-31:

Matt 24:29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Here we will prove what this is not ^^^. This is not the rapture of the Church. I do not have to prove what it is, I only have to prove what it is not to completely neutralize its use in the arguments of the "other tribbers."

Proof:

This is the rapture of the church according to 1 Thess 4:

1 Thess 4:13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Since the "other tribbers" agree that the scripture above IS the rapture of the church, we can use it to debunk one of their favorite "proofs."

Rapture checklist, according to 1 Thess 4 this is what happens during the rapture :

1. Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout
2. with the voice of the archangel
3. trump of God
4. dead in Christ shall rise
5. We which are alive and remain caught up in the clouds
6. We meet the Lord in the air

Now lets look at what the "other tribbers" tell us the rapture is:

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Here's the "rapture" checklist according to the "other tribbers:"

sun darkened
moon shall not give her light
stars fall from heaven
sign of the Son of man in heaven
Son of man coming in the clouds of heven with power and great glory
He shall send His angels with sound of trumpet
angels gather elect from four winds of heaven

Now lets do a comparison shall we? We'll take the true rapture and compare it point by point with what the other tribbers call the rapture:

During the true rapture, evidence point 1 tells us:

Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout. Can we find this in the other tribbers rapture proof?

sun darkened...(Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout? NO)
moon shall not give her light...(Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout? NO)
stars fall from heaven...(Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout? NO)

sign of the Son of man in heaven...(Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout? NO. I hope that nobody has to spell this out for you..when the Lord Himself descends from heaven it is exponentially above and beyond a "sign" of himself in the heavens...)

Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory...(Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout? NO. There are two words that are common here: Lord and heaven. The descriptors around "Lord" and "heaven" are completely different)

He shall send His angels with sound of trumpet...(Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout? NO)
angels gather elect from four winds of heaven...(Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout? NO)

During the true rapture, evidence point 2 tells us:

2. with the voice of the archangel. Can we find this in the other tribbers rapture proof?

sun darkened...(with the voice of the archangel? NO)
moon shall not give her light...(with the voice of the archangel? NO)
stars fall from heaven...(with the voice of the archangel? NO)
sign of the Son of man in heaven....(with the voice of the archangel? NO)
Son of man coming in the clouds of heven with power and great glory...(with the voice of the archangel? NO)
He shall send His angels with sound of trumpet...(with the voice of the archangel? NO)
angels gather elect from four winds of heaven....(with the voice of the archangel? NO)

During the true rapture, evidence point 3 tells us the rapture occurs with:

3. trump of God. Can we find this in the other tribbers rapture proof?

sun darkened...(3. trump of God? NO)
moon shall not give her light...(3. trump of God? NO)
stars fall from heaven...(3. trump of God? NO)
sign of the Son of man in heaven...(3. trump of God? NO)
Son of man coming in the clouds of heven with power and great glory...(3. trump of God? NO)

He shall send His angels with sound of trumpet...(3. trump of God? NO. There is a "trumpet" during this gathering done by angels but the rapture proof text specifically states that the rapture will happen with the TRUMP OF GOD not just any "trumpet" Please, let the bible define itself and stop trying to make square pegs fit into round holes. Every Word of God has meaning, there are no trivial Words in the Bible, there are no "fillers"....)

angels gather elect from four winds of heaven...(3. trump of God? NO)

During the true rapture, evidence point 4 tells us:

4. dead in Christ shall rise. Can we find this in the other tribbers rapture proof?

sun darkened...(4. dead in Christ shall rise. NO)
moon shall not give her light...(4. dead in Christ shall rise. NO)
stars fall from heaven...(4. dead in Christ shall rise. NO)
sign of the Son of man in heaven...(4. dead in Christ shall rise. NO)
Son of man coming in the clouds of heven with power and great glory...(4. dead in Christ shall rise. NO)
He shall send His angels with sound of trumpet...(4. dead in Christ shall rise. NO)
angels gather elect from four winds of heaven...(4. dead in Christ shall rise. NO)

During the true rapture, evidence point 5 tells us:

5. We which are alive and remain caught up in the clouds. Can we find this in the other tribbers rapture proof?

sun darkened...(5. We which are alive and remain caught up in the clouds? NO)
moon shall not give her light...(5. We which are alive and remain caught up in the clouds? NO)
stars fall from heaven...(5. We which are alive and remain caught up in the clouds? NO)
sign of the Son of man in heaven...(5. We which are alive and remain caught up in the clouds? NO)
Son of man coming in the clouds of heven with power and great glory...(5. We which are alive and remain caught up in the clouds? NO)
He shall send His angels with sound of trumpet...(5. We which are alive and remain caught up in the clouds? NO)

angels gather elect from four winds of heaven...(5. We which are alive and remain caught up in the clouds? NO. Again I hope there is no need to spell this out. "Gathered" and "caught up in the clouds" are radically different words and usages of those words. To say that the scripture would have to have violence done to it to make these two lines fit is an understatement. "Gathered" also has no vertical component to it does it? We will be "caught up" from the earth to the clouds, that is vertical movement. The elect will be gathered from the four winds of heaven implying they were already there in the heavens. Radically different concepts here...)

During the true rapture, evidence point 6 tells us:

6. We meet the Lord in the air. Can we find this in the other tribbers rapture proof?

sun darkened...(6. We meet the Lord in the air? NO)
moon shall not give her light...(6. We meet the Lord in the air? NO)
stars fall from heaven...(6. We meet the Lord in the air? NO)
sign of the Son of man in heaven...(6. We meet the Lord in the air? NO)
Son of man coming in the clouds of heven with power and great glory...(6. We meet the Lord in the air? NO)
He shall send His angels with sound of trumpet...(6. We meet the Lord in the air? NO)
angels gather elect from four winds of heaven...(6. We meet the Lord in the air? NO)

Conclusion:

This is absolutely irrefutable proof that the rapture we all agree on 1 Thess 4 is not the same event that takes place "after the tribulation of those days" in Matt 24:29-31. The other tribbers rapture "proof" has hereby been attacked in detail and found wanting on every single point. Not one single point of detail matches, not one. Whatever is happening in Matt 24:29-31 it is not the rapture and that fact has been established here through point by point comparison with the rapture text we all agree is the rapture of the church.

How much more proof do people need to open up their eyes? Every lie that has been fabricated to discredit the pre-tribulation rapture of the church has been found wanting. The bible defines the bible right? If we all agree that the rapture occurs in 1 Thess 4 and not one detail matches what happens in Matt 24:29-31 then how can anyone argue with a straight face that the rapture occurs in Matt 24:29-31?

grace and peace

Tuesday, March 29, 2011

The Rapture Solution

A brother has written a book that has been out for some time now which details:

1. Why the post-tribulation rapture cannot be true
2. Proves why the pre-tribulation rapture is true
3. Explains double references in the bible that harmonize different views on the rapture.<-as promised an explanation on double references in the bible. He explains it better than I can.

Result? A rock solid case for the pre-tribulation rapture. http://www.rapturesolution.com/index.htm

The major problem I see with the "Rapture Solution" is that the author appears to be so bent on reconciliation with the post-trib believers that he fails to point out the most glaring problem with their position. What is their major problem? They are not watching.....They are not watching now, and they refuse to watch at any time before the tribulation despite the fact that they know the Lord commands them to watch now. Did the Lord give the "other tribbers" the option to not watch now? No, He did not.

We who believe have been commanded to watch, but they refuse to do it and the author of the rapture solution does not think that will be a problem. This writer thinks he is absolutely wrong. What does Jesus say about those who "will not watch?" What is the reward for willful disobedience? Will people who do not believe, still receive? The foolish virgins were not ready, they were not watching (no preparatory oil= no lamp lit=cannot watch..no light) did they get to go in to the marriage feast? No, they did not. Other than completely omitting and glossing over this glaring problem with the "other tribbers" I think the author of the Rapture Solution did a fine job with the book.


I find it very hard to hold hands with someone who willfully disobeys the command to look for (now) one of the most exciting events in world history...the return of the Lord Jesus. While we are electric inside expecting our Lord to appear any moment, they are stuck like a broken record saying "anti-christ, abomination, tribulation....anti-christ, abomination, tribulation...anti-christ, abomination, tribulation." While it is true that those things are coming, they are not what we were told to be watching for. We are the bride of Christ. What are we to be looking for? The Bridegroom...


That said, give it a read. The author makes many good points.


grace and peace