Isaiah 30: 9These are rebellious people, deceitful children,
children unwilling to listen to the LORD’s instruction.
10They say to the seers,
“See no more visions!”
and to the prophets,
“Give us no more visions of what is right!
Tell us pleasant things,
11Leave this way,
get off this path,
and stop confronting us
with the Holy One of Israel!”
|... For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain
salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
I could care less about the liars and thieves who tell us "but the sword and famine and death and disease are not God's wrath, so pony up so you can take all this wrath on the chin like a "good" christian!" The bible tells us what is, and is not God's wrath. When God tells us that plague, the sword, and famine are His wrath, then the argument is over, case is closed, issue settled:
Ezekiel 6:12 He that is far away will die of the plague, and he that is near will fall by the sword, and he that survives and is spared will die of famine. So will I spend my wrath upon them.
Rev 6:3When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!” 4Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword.
5When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “A quarta of wheat for a day’s wages,b and three quarts of barley for a day’s wages,c and do not damage the oil and the wine!”
7When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” 8I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
If the bible interprets the bible (and we know it does) then if God's wrath is sword, famine and plague in Ezekiel 6, it can also be God's wrath in Revelation 6, a direct and irrefutable rebuke to all the "other tribbers" who do not believe a pre-tribulation rapture/escape will take place.
We are not destined for wrath, which means we are not destined for the sword, famine and plague listed in Rev 6, seals 2,3,4. That is good news, and it is the truth. I hope that these words encourage you. Our Lord sent His word to encourage us:
1 Thess 4:16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18Therefore encourage each other with these words.
We are told very clearly that these words^^, rapture words...escape words....were meant to encourage us...So, if I were to tell you that there is an escape from all the hell on earth events about to take place, would that encourage you? I hope so, because that's why the Word was written to you. If on the other hand I was to tell you that you could look forward to sword, famine, plague and beheading at the hands of the anti-christ, would that encourage you? I think not, so....which point of view is more consistent with the Word of God, that which encourages you, or that which does not encourage you?
The people who will tell you that any encouragement you get in believing the Lord's own Word regarding an escape from all rapture is a false encouragement, will also tell you not to pray that you may be counted worthy of an escape from all, because (they say) there will be no escape from all. Really? Jesus says there will be an escape from all and you tell me there will not be one...hmmmm, let me think about this real hard.....Yea, okay, I think I'll go with what Jesus said, but thanks for your opinion...
Luke 21:36Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”
Now, if there is no escape from all as the pre-wrath and post-tribbers would have us believe, then what does that make our Lord's statement in Luke 21:36? Insane? A lie? Does it make any sense at all for our Lord to command us to pray for escape if there is no escape?
Not only does the Lord tell us there will absolutely be an escape...from all...but He also gives us contextual clues as to when this escape will happen. These are the Lord's Words, not mine. The Lord will come back for us during a time of:
being given in marriage
up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
28“It was the same in the days of Lot. People were
29But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.
Now we know the words the Lord did use to clue us in to the time of His coming. What words did He not use? He did not use:
sea turned to blood
a third of the trees burned up
all the green grass burned up
a third of the ships in the sea destroyed
a third of the sea creatures destroyed
a third of the waters turned bitter
locusts tormenting the people of the earth
Nope....the Lord Himself uses those words in the book of Revelation, just not anywhere around where He describes when He is coming back to take us where He is....
That encourages you does it not? It certainly encourages me. Will people convert and become believers after the escape? Yes. Will they pay for that conversion with their life? Most likely. Are those believers who convert after the escape the ones we read about throughout the book of revelation? It is very very very likely since the Lord had every opportunity to call those believers "the church" and He did not. Why not? The only reason that makes any sense is that the church is in heaven.
The 24 elders seen in heaven in Rev 4 are redeemed men. They have crowns on their heads and are clothed in white linen. That is proof positive that something happened, before Rev 6 or any of the seals are opened to get those redeemed men into heaven. How did they get there? I recall seeing an open door in heaven in Rev 4.....The 24 elders are men, not angels. Angels do not get crowns, are not dressed in fine linen, and do not sit on thrones. The 24 elders are not just 24 because they come from every tribe, and tongue and language and nation. Have there been more than 24 tribes, tongues, languages and nations since the beginning of the world? Yep...you do the math. The 24 represent more than 24..they are redeemed men, they are in heaven, and they got there somehow before any wrath seen in Rev 6 and onward shows up on the earth....
Do you think there is a reward for faith? I do. Do you think there is a reward for obedience? I do. Do you think there is a reward for patience? I do. Do you think there is a reward for watching? I do. Do you think the believers who are watching, faithful, obedient, patient are going to get the same treatment on earth that the unwashed, heathen, backslidden masses will get? No way.....not a chance. The Lord knows how "to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment. "-2 Peter 2:9
You don't believe it? Well, time will tell who the wise and who the foolish are among us. I'm not calling anyone names, just reminding you of the Words our Lord used: