Yesterday I wrote concerning this same topic, but I only addressed most of the salient points made by Mr Kelly regarding OSAS (once saved always saved). There's one more I'd like to debunk this morning, this idea that we can't be "unborn" of God.
The OSAS crowd seems comfortable with the thought that once you are born of God, you can't be "unborn" so you must be "saved." OSAS teachers have to assume you cannot be unborn, because the bible does'nt say that. The bible does'nt say you can be unborn, but it does say YOU CAN BE CUTOFF, WITHERED AND BURNED UP. This whole debate is shot in the pants once you read John 15. John 15 makes the entire argument very clear. "in Christ" you are saved. If you are cutoff from being "in Christ" you are not saved (cutoff, withered and burned up, no sins forgiven without the blood etc). You get credit for what Jesus did on the cross when you are "in the vine" which means "in Christ" You get credit for nothing if you are not "in Christ."
<< John 15 >>Young's Literal Translation
1 'I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman; 2 every branch in me not bearing fruit, He doth take it away, and every one bearing fruit, He doth cleanse by pruning it, that it may bear more fruit; 3 already ye are clean, because of the word that I have spoken to you; 4 remain in me, and I in you, as the branch is not able to bear fruit of itself, if it may not remain in the vine, so neither ye, if ye may not remain in me. 5 'I am the vine, ye the branches; he who is remaining in me, and I in him, this one doth bear much fruit, because apart from me ye are not able to do anything; 6 if any one may not remain in me, he was cast forth without as the branch, and was withered, and they gather them, and cast to fire, and they are burned; 7 if ye may remain in me, and my sayings in you may remain, whatever ye may wish ye shall ask, and it shall be done to you. 8 'In this was my Father glorified, that ye may bear much fruit, and ye shall become my disciples. 9 According as the Father did love me, I also loved you, remain in my love; 10 if my commandments ye may keep, ye shall remain in my love, according as I the commands of my Father have kept, and do remain in His love; 11 these things I have spoken to you, that my joy in you may remain, and your joy may be full.
There are many other places in the bible that sink the OSAS teaching, but John 15 does it outright, with no doubt, covering all the bases in one fell swoop. "in Christ" are the two most important words in the bible. If OSAS was true, there would be numerous commands in the bible that were irrelevant, like "remain in me" because OSAS teaches you that you have no choice but to "remain in him."
I'll come back to this subject as often as I have to. Once saved always saved is a doctrine of devils. How many people will end up in hell as a result of this teaching. How much sin will be committed as a result of people telling themselves "well, I can't lose my salvation, so why not sin this one more time?" or "I can always ask for forgiveness later" That is the thinking of fools, that kind of thinking will get you killed (eternally), and OSAS is the ENABLER for that thinking.
Like many other things within churchianity, OSAS on the outside promises life, but scratch the surface of it, and out comes the stench of death. People want a guarantee today, that no matter what they do, no matter how much they sin, they'll see heaven anyway. This is a point that Jack Kelly over at rapture ready truly fails the test. According to this man, you can even be a homosexual and be taken in the rapture. Kelly says "we all sin all the time" but my bible says something different. Here's what my bible says about sin:
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
So..on one hand the OSAS teacher tells you that you are "born of God" and cannot be unborn of him, then on the other the same teacher tells you that christians "sin all the time" but will be saved/go in the rapture anyway. Can you see the bald faced hypocrisy in this? Within this one passage of scripture it says those who are born of God DOTH NOT COMMIT SIN.
Sin in the true believer is the exception, not the rule. OSAS teachers are full of the spirit of prostitution, consider the proverbs:
For at the window of my house I looked through my casement,
7 And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding,
8 Passing through the street near her corner; and he went the way to her house,
9 In the twilight, in the evening, in the black and dark night:
10 And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, and subtil of heart.
11 (She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house:
12 Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.)
13 So she caught him, and kissed him, and with an impudent face said unto him,
14 I have peace offerings with me; this day have I payed my vows.
15 Therefore came I forth to meet thee, diligently to seek thy face, and I have found thee.
16 I have decked my bed with coverings of tapestry, with carved works, with fine linen of Egypt.
17 I have perfumed my bed with myrrh, aloes, and cinnamon.
18 Come, let us take our fill of love until the morning: let us solace ourselves with loves.
19 For the goodman is not at home, he is gone a long journey:
20 He hath taken a bag of money with him, and will come home at the day appointed.
21 With her much fair speech she caused him to yield, with the flattering of her lips she forced him.
22 He goeth after her straightway, as an ox goeth to the slaughter, or as a fool to the correction of the stocks;
23 Till a dart strike through his liver; as a bird hasteth to the snare, and knoweth not that it is for his life.
24 Hearken unto me now therefore, O ye children, and attend to the words of my mouth.
25 Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths.
26 For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her.
27 Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.
As with many things in the bible, this is a warning against BOTH physical and spiritual adultery.
Does this sound familiar to you:
19 For the goodman is not at home, he is gone a long journey: 20 He hath taken a bag of money with him, and will come home at the day appointed.
The master of the servants is away on a long journey...
14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
Luke 13:25 "Once the head of the house gets up and shuts
... When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and yebegin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open
The master of the house is Jesus, and while he is away, there are many who call themselves servants who are up to serious mischief.
The bible has to jive with the bible. Read Matt 7:14, 7:21, and Rev 2-3. Few are saved, many call Jesus Lord and he tells them "away from me you evildoers", only 2 of the 7 churches were found without blame in Rev 2-3, throughout ancient Israel, the majority were punished, and over and over again a remnant were spared/saved. It's against this context that I submit your consideration of the OSAS question. Only a FEW will be saved, WHY IS THAT? Don't you think MANY would be saved if all you had to do was "make a decision" for Jesus, then sin, the world the flesh and the devil could'nt touch you anymore? OSAS teachers like to dilute the word of God on this issue by saying "you can only lose rewards, not "union/salvation" That's not what John 15 says. You are in the vine=united with Christ, you are cutoff from the vine=you are no longer united with Christ. It's that simple, debate over.
Grace and peace
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